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Pitbull / 70 Pitbull vs. 110 Trail Rider and improvements
« on: August 23, 2008, 09:00:55 AM »
How would i know? Well...i sell them. I own a 70cc Pitbull too. I am a seller for Hooper Imports (google it). I picked the pitbull and trail rider because they are copys of something that parts would be no problem getting. I will be totally honest here. The quality isnt honda , yet. what you do get is a good start especially if you plan on using and abusing your machine. The old Hondas are starting to be collected by boomers too so.....If you would want either one of these in a honda youd be paying at least twice to three times as much if you want a really nice example. If there is anybody that wants any motorcycle or scooter Hooper Imports sells and lives around central minnesota (or willing to drive) i will sell it completely assembled with a 6 month parts and labor warrantee for the same price. Long Beach Cycle, Glenwood MN 56334. 320-634-3022. Im a stay at home dad so call at anytime.

Now the showdown.

The 70cc Pitbull is a vast improvement over a Z50 in the power department. In my humble opinion a four stroke 50cc is dangerous on the street. The get up and go just isnt there. The pitbull also has an electric start....very nice. For tough trail riding the pitbull is great. The height and width is an advantage. Fewer branches in the face is good. Would be perfect transportation on a deer path. It has a super low first gear and can crawl up a very steep hill. It will climb as long as there is traction and forward weight distribution. Im 5'10" 165 lbs. I fit great. plenty of room to move, surprisingly. They have a big, if kinda ugly seat that is more comfortable than most large street bikes ive owned. The brakes, for drums, are pretty good. Hard to be great in this department for me since ive owned a few sportbikes with BRAKES! The handling is quick on the street and good on the open road. (40-45 mph comfotably. 50+ in full tuck.) Just keep you hands on both grips when your going good. No waving at pretty girls. The spedo is in mph and the odometer is in kilometers. Why? Dont know. Mileage is around 120 mpg in adverage driving. In sustained speeds on the highway i would think it would get around 150 mpg. You will have to convert kpg to mpg. Take your kgp and multiply it by .64 to get mph.
Improvements: Hooper Imports sells a honda like headlight bucket that is red (not chrome), shorter than the pitbull bucket, and with only one idiot light hole.  Very honda looking and big improvement. Ask for it specificly! Dont mess with sprockets. They are about pefect. Bigger engines are a great improvement to up to a 110cc auto clutch is straight  forward with only minor changes to the exhaust. (I expain on this forum how to put a big engine in a pitbull. Do a search if your interested). I have an ebay bought front end on mine. $365! it came with the forks, tripple clamp, top clamp, front disk, caliper, master cylinder, brake line berings and races. Eazy to instal. I did it mostly for the cool factor. I also mounted a set of original honda fenders. The fenders are a great look. BIG improvement.

The 110cc Trail Rider. Ive had an eazier time selling these do to the engine size and being a little taller. The 110cc electric start is better than the hondas 70cc engine as far as power goes. My opinion is that they handle a little goofy on the street. they fall going into sharp corners (not to the ground). for riding on a trail they are fine. The speedo like the Pitbull is in mph and the odometer is in kilometers too.  Ive had problems with the pressed rims having unacceptable (to me) runout to the point of me having to take them apart and clock the rims to make the rims wobble a little rather than bounce. Every one ive sold has had this problem to some degree. (the pitbulls rims are perfect) I told Larry from Hooper Imports and he half didnt belive me or thought i was exagerating. He said that he never had any complaints before. Maybe my customers and I expect better? there is a fix though...buy a set of used honda rims on ebay. The brakes work fine considering that they are the same brakes that are on a Pitbull. The trail rider is not really pretty in my opinion. It wasnt pretty as a honda either. The only advantages it has over the pitbull is like i said in the begining; height and engine size. 
Improvements: Honda rims if yours arent true. Honda fenders are much better quality. lock tight nuts and bolts on this one. Its not a bad motorcycle for the money. If you dont mind commiting a sin you can pull off the ugly graphics that come with the bike an put on honda stickers or leave it plain.

Verdict. the Pitbull unless you just dont fit on one. You can go on a diet if your fat but i dont recommend cutting your legs off at the knee if your too tall.

If i were Lifan......
I would start with a Pitbull. Drop a 110cc, 125cc or 138cc hand clutch electric start engine. Put on a shorter painted (not chrome) headlight bucket with only one quality looking idiot light (neutral light). The stock idiot lights look crappy. get rid of the annoying blinker beeper. QUALITY steel fenders. They wouldnt have be chromed. Get rid of the silly graphic on the side of the tank that are clear coated over (grrrrrr). Regular fork front with front hydraulic disk break (which they apparently already make). Find a better looking (Stanley style) tail light.
Options: Two paint options; red or in primer. Street tires. Aluminum rim halves. billet Engine dress up trinkets, etc.
I would spend more money in the fit and finish department and sell the motorcycle for around $1600.

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How To / How to make a Big engined Pitbulll, Z50 or Funrider
« on: August 22, 2008, 06:34:27 PM »
I have a 138cc Lifan powered Funrider. Which is a copy of a Z50 like a Pitbull. The 138cc engine is longer than the 50cc-110cc Lifan engines. It also has a hand clutch. This makes putting the stock exhaust impossible without changes. I had an MX exhaust on it but it was way LOUD didnt idle well and had a midrange surge. Then i said to myself what the heck ill try to make the stock work. Now i have eazier starting, idles great, better midrange, much less lean surge and its much, much quieter which makes for a better commuter.
To make the stock exhaust work:
1 Take heat guards off.
2 Take right swing arm shock and exhaust off.
3 Cut off exhaust tip (the very end of the exhaust  that is between the right shock and the fender) off leaving only about a quarter inch stub. The remainder of the exhaust tip and difuser should fall out. If it doesnt take a grinder and grind the end until they become unwelded. You may need to use a flat ended puch an tap it a bit.
4 Using a rat tail file flile the ID of the end of the exhaust.
5 Make a eight inch long by one inch OD tube with a forty five degree bend at the end. (a tube without a forty five will work but the bend looks good, keeps the fender from sooting up and your licence plate from vibrating off. trust me.)
6 Slide the new exhaust tip into the muffler and tack it on. The internal muffler tube will keep the tip straight for welding.
7 Using your grinder grind off all pinch weld and the seam on the muffler above where the clutch arm on the engine is.
8 take a ball peen hammer and tap and carefully to make a concave area in the muffler directly above where the clutch arm would be. you might have to use the grinder (or file in a pinch) then hammer then grind, hammer, grind....fit..refit..fit.....
9 Once you have enough room for at least a quater inch gap for clutch arm, cable and weld clearance your almost there.
10 Weld it up. Bring it to a welding shop if you dont know how and ask them to TIG it if possible.
11 If you are fitting this pipe to a 138 you will also have to take the frame to muffler bracket off and use only one mounting stud on the muffler.  Drill another hole in the mounting bracket for a more forward fitting. Youll see what i mean.
12 Get a can of heat resistant grill paint and touch it up.
You WILL be fitting the pipe on while you are doing all of this!
If you want me to do it all for you or a want a one inch OD tube with a forty-five degree bend....my email address is mojo.moto@yahoo.com
If you get any of the auto clutched engines there will be no need to make the clutch arm dent in the muffler. Im pretty sure all you would have to do up to at least a 110 possibly a 125 is to put the larger exhaust tip on.
The wireing is really simple on these engines. my funrider is Jencheng so four out of the seven wires were different color. But if you can read your wiring diagram from your owners manual its eazy to find which wires go where. Just take the covers off your engine and look with your own two eyes where they go. If i was to do it all over again id probably buy a auto clutch 125cc Lifan. AND dont get an engine with a piggyback starter. Make sure the starter is under the cylinder. If you get a piggyback starter the stock muffler WONT fit.
I also put on a regular shocked front end with a front hydraulic disk brake setup. 365 bucks! Yea. Expensive. It does ride beter in the front with less braking flex and the disk is a little better than the drum especially on long hard stops (less fading). Looks good too. goes good with the chrome honda fenders.
Next....Im getting street tires....a smaller rear sprocket.....a rectangle hond seat......a honda gas cap.....different rear tail light.......and a repaint.
Ive used this motorcycle for 80 percent of my driving this year. It has been quite reliable. With the gearing and knobby tires i can go places four wheelers can only dream of, then down the street legaly.  I also have a stock lifan 70cc Z replica and it has alot more power than a 50cc engine. in fact i think the 50cc doesnt have enough power for the street. Really. On the street a person has to get on the boil sometime and a 50cc just wont cook.
Ill try to get a pic up if there is any intrest. if any body has any questions just ask. If you give these little buggers a lift they are alot of fun. Well off to visit friends on the other side of town. (on my 138 of course)
later.

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Pitbull / pitbull potential
« on: November 13, 2007, 07:44:37 PM »
Ive got a panda funrider. its basicly the exact same thing as a pit bull.
there are alot of good points about these little "motorized bicycles"
thats how the 50cc is listed on the MSO so there are benefits.
if you can stand the lack of power (the 70cc version is probably a bit better and it has electric start) and can drive it as you were driving a bicycle (30 mph all out tops). you can get 150+ mpg all day long. i put a lifan 138cc oil cooled (converted to air cooled) engine in mine bought off Ebay. now it gets an awefull 125 or so mpg. the engine transformed the little guy into a great town bike. i put an 18 tooth counter sprocket on the engine to be able to make some use of first gear (still way too low for the street but about right for deer trails). i bought a pipe for a mini mx and chopped it down so the muffler fits where the original was. the end is aimed at my right rear shock and since its still running a tad rich is making my rear fender black with soot. oh well. the lighting is tons better too since there is a more powerfull alternator on the 138.
it is a ton of fun. wheelies are eazy. no yanking on the bars. just click into second and snap the throttle open a bit. third gear too with a bit more throttle. the brakes are fair, a bit woody but im used to sportbikes so...cornering is awesome. the tires are very soft and grippy although i have gotten the rear to step out on a dirty corner. the cops rubberneck (well they used to) to look for a plate, which it has. i can drive this where 4x4 wheelers cant fit and i can get there legaly on any road.  i plan on studing out a set of tires so i can take it ice fishing too. it would be great for getting to a tree stand too. not as obvious as a four wheeler on narrow trails.  if you want to save a bit on gas and live just a few miles form work id recomend this setup.  i have around  $1200 into it. if you buy a pit bull, engine, pipe, aircleaner, clutch cable and clutch lever at the same time a dealer should cut you a deal. the wiring is a simple 6 wire. three colored wires match right off and the other three can be figured out just by taking off the left engine cover. I tossed the battery from mine too. less to replace and works fine without one. if you figure in $3 to possibly $4 a gallon gas in the not so distant future the bike would pay for its self pretty quick. especially if you drive a vehicle that gets under 25mpg. do the math. no. really. do the math.

PS if your of the large of size- lifan sells a trail 110 that is a copy of the honda trail 70/90. it is a bit taller and more room.

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Engine Kits / jincheng panda 138cc
« on: September 30, 2007, 03:53:59 PM »
put a lifan 138cc in my 2000 panda "z50 copy".
i drive it to work and use it to run errands in town.
it goes at least 50mph and gets 100+ mpg. lots of fun and street legal.

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Chit Chat / big block jincheng panda / 138cc lifan installed the story.
« on: September 30, 2007, 11:37:23 AM »
hi
i had a 00 jincheng panda sitting around and not being used much except to give the kids a ride around the yard. then i got a wild hair and bought a 138cc lifan engine from ebay. to be honest it was a shot in the dark. i didnt know how it would work. i bought a xr dirt bike pipe when i bought the engine too because i was pretty sure the stock one would never fit (it will with modification). i got the engine and in about 2 hours of wrenching and wiring was riding it around. lots of power and much more fun. i turned in my mso and got licence the next day and started drivng it to work. it seemed like the perfect commuter/town bike. then it happened.....bad sounds with just enough power to keep it running...:-\...a friend with a truck brought me home. then i started to disassemble. my first thought was a ring broke and was causing drag and making the squeeking noise. took the head off, then the cylinder. to my surprise it looked great. piston was like new. cylinder looked freshly honed. i slowly turned the crank while holding the rod to feel for bad bearings. fine. then i looked at the head. dry. not good. the cam was scored and the rockers were bluing from heat and wearing into the lobes. no oil was getting to the head. now i knew there was oil in the engine so i thought the pump wasnt woking. nope. it turned out that upon assembly the oil galley to the head was mostly plugged by the o ring between the head and cylinder. a 5 cent part. i got ahold of the sales person i bought it from. first he offered to replace the head so i sent it in. he claimed he couldnt see any dammage. i dont think he knew what he was looking at but he offered to replace the whole engine. done. now this story doesnt seem like a glowing endorsement for lifan engines but remember this engine went almost 100 miles with next to no oil getting to the head. the o ring was, a stupid, yes, simple mistake. being able to see the quality of the internal parts impressed me enough to check into becoming a dealer myself.  if anybody wants to make their z50 a real motorcycle that isnt dangerous to drive in town from lack of power to get out of peoples way, find a good dealer and do it.  i is again a great town bike.
  to make first gear usable i bought a bigger counter sprocket. a 17t. if i find a 18t ill try it. top speed id say is least 50 mph. i weigh 160+. if i used a 110 engine with an auto cluch i think the stock pipe would work with minor mods (different pipe to frame mount and larger diameter exhaust tip)save some money and be quieter (a sleeper). if anybody wants to know which wires from the engine go to which wires from the harness on a jincheng panda, just ask.
with the orignal 50cc engine i drove 111 miles on .7 gallons of gas. the 138cc lifan still gets a little over 100mpg. they are fun, fast (in town), green, inexpensive, honda designed, eazy to work on, take up less space than a bicycle in the garage (or living room) and a great way of meeting people, if you find a good dealer that is. ::)
later. 

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